Let's Talk about Entertainment with Scout Part 1

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right. This is Brendan Stacy with Let's Wine with Brendan Stacy, and we're back for another special episode. We have Scout with us again. He was the poet that was with us a couple episodes ago, and he's agreed to come back and talk about books and music and different things since he's young. How old are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Twenty-one.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Oh. He's younger than I thought he would be.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Oh wow. You've been Tom Pie for your twenty-two.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Um we'll be in May.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

In May. So he's in almost twenty.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

All right. You are three decades younger than we are. And a lot comes out in three decades regarding books and music and all of it. All of it. Everything pop culture seems to change as the decades go on, but some of it stands the test of time. We were talking earlier about books that were required reading when we were in school, and I work with people that are in their 80s who read the same literature that I did even in school.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I think that a lot of these a lot of the books do stand the test of time. And what's interesting about them is that when they were first written, there was an automatic understanding that they were classics, which is really cool. Like uh The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne's book. People read that and they automatically understood it was a classic, and it has stood this test of time. I've read that and for my required reading, and I know that my teacher talked about how it was her required reading in 11th grade. And it's because it has to do with like humanity itself and the human condition. And I think it's interesting that pop culture is even more so than a collection of contemporary understanding. It's a reflection of just the feeling of human understanding within a specific culture. So even though the Scarlet Letter is from a very specific era and time talking about a different specific era in this unique kind of tragic form of living, it still holds the feeling of American human understanding where there's great revora of pride and there's also great tragedy and sadness in being a human that lives within America.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Okay. You went deeper than I ever would with that. That's for sure. I mean I do see it's tanning. Did you feel that? Yeah. Well, I actually look at it as the townspeople, all the judgy ones.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yeah. And that I mean, we're like that now. You know, we watch these reality shows and different things, and the minute somebody's cheating on somebody or they're married and it's happening, you know, we're like, ooh, it's on now. But I mean, I don't feel like that has changed so much. You've read the Scarlet Letter, didn't you, Steve? Yeah. The whole thing, the letter's an A for adultery. Called out. She has to wear E. I've heard about that, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

But everybody shuns her and she has to live in this house. She has to live in this shack on the edge of town. But it's interesting because she feels the shame of having to live secluded, but in that same moment, she feels pride in the fact that she's still living throughout the reality of this tragedy that's been set on her by other people.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Was it because she committed adultery because her husband passed, or because she got divorced, or she flat out just cheated on him? Do y'all know the answer to that?

SPEAKER_01 2:57

I think if my memory serves, she was playing around with the married priest.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Well, okay. Because I mean, one of the things that in biblical teaching, it's like once you're married, that's your person for life. Even divorce is adultery if you remarry or sleep with another person after divorce. So I was just wondering if it went that deep, but no.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

I can't really remember. You know, back in high school I didn't really read any of those books, which is funny. I read the cliff notes, I watched the movie, and I read the reading in class when they were like, we're gonna read chapter eight out loud. Then I would read it. Other than that, though, I was such a slacker in high school, I played too many video games. But what I do remember being taught is that all the other characters in the town suffered just as much as Hester Prynn suffers. And the difference is that they have interior suffering because of their own actions, where Hester Prynn has exterior suffering because all the characters are looking at her and saying, You're an adult, and we're we're putting this letter on you, we're exiling you. So yeah, I think that was interesting.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

I think don't we all have that? We don't have a carry a letter around, but we all are suffering from something. I mean, there's something going on in our lives that we're worried about or that we've done wrong and we wish we didn't, you know, we made a bad decision. It stays with you. I don't know. I could just put a bad decision, BD on me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

I've made bad decisions in my life and I've lived with them and some of them grateful for. It's crazy how damn that was bad. I don't have to carry a letter, but I made bad decisions.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

I've made a one or two.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Just one or two in your 50-something years.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

I know. I did do my research. The Reverend wasn't married, but they had a child out of wedlock, Pearl. Pearl. I love the name Pearl.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

I love Pearls. Nothing to do with the book. That was interesting. As a person who didn't know what the hell y'all are talking about. Okay. That's very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

And what's cool is that the other books that are recorded reading are not all about that. So like Brave New World or Lord of the Flies or Catcher in the Rye are completely different. They're completely different topics, but they're still all about the human condition and understanding what it means to be a human. Right. It's not just about shame, is what I was going to say. It's not just about uh bearing bearing the cross of shame in your whole life. You know, it's about growing up, it's about finding love, it's about understanding systems aren't always going to help you. It's about understanding the feeling of betrayal. And all these are different pieces that uh each of these writers have tapped into, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

It's funny that horror was always my favorite, but my favorite book is To Kill a Mockingbird. That's what I can read and reread. I know, I love that one.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

I like that one. Yeah, the characters are so dynamic and I don't even know what to say other than individual. You know, you can you can read the whole book and just think about Scout, or you can read the whole book and just think about Jim, or you can read the whole book and just think about Boo Radley, and every single chapter still pertains to just that one character while while carrying on the entire narrative. It's really surprising how expansive the book is while still having such individual characters within it.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

That's probably one of the only books that I can actually say that I was actually happy with the movie. I mean, it's an older movie, it's really good. I want to see the movie because you know I'm not reading the book. I want to see the movie. Okay, there you go. I know Lord of the Flies is about to be a series. I think on Netflix. What? Yeah. Surprise.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

I don't know how well that I mean, that book is so in my mind, that book is extremely subjective. When I was in ninth grade, we had this drawing assignment after reading Lord of the Flies, and it was like draw each of the characters. Really? And the main thing the teacher taught us or showed us was that all of us drew Piggy different, all of us drew Ralph different. And it's like every single character is a different person in our mind, and the reason why is because it's the character traits that matter more than how the person looks.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

I agree with that from Fifty Shades of Grey. Have you read or seen?

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I know about it. I've never read or seen it though.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

That's the one I think every woman our age we read, I read all of them.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Is it worth it more than just the the BDSM? Is there like a story within it?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

There sort of, but it I felt that's one of the ones that I didn't like. And I felt like maybe in me, I was like, anytime another sex scene came about, it's like they were so repetitive. Next, next I start flipping pages. I liked that.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

See, that's what I didn't find. I liked how kinky they were. I liked all the things, but that's one of the ones where I had in my head, because I've read those books and watched the movie. Yeah, that it it took it to it kind of took it away watching the movie.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

It creates an objective view of something. Yeah. And if that view is different than what you have in your mind, it's out later.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

When reading a book, like I actually had orgasms, watching the movie, I did not. Really? That's my I I know.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

That's one of the things I I want to do as a writer is create writing that causes orgasm. And when I am writing, like how close can I get to an orgasm while I'm writing? Because it it's just your mind working, you know. It's like how far can my mind go to satisfying. But I'm not a reader. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

And I'm not a reader. That's the crazy thing. It's like reading to me is not as important as it is to y'all.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

That's awesome to hear. I I it's a my writer friends, yeah. They're like, no, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Oh, it's a thing. Well, it's happened to me. I guess now I have to leave it in. Now I have to leave it in because we talked about it being a thing. Have you ever done that from a book that you're reading? Feels so intense like you cried.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Okay, that's what I was gonna say. And it is rare a book makes me cry. A movie will, but books don't. But I've had two in my lifetime that have. One. There's uh Odd Thomas is one, and the other is I'm embarrassed. Say beaches. Marley and me. Oh Marley and me. Yeah. Yes. I balled, balled my eyes out trying to read, and then you can't see the words anymore on the page. It's awful.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

So that's the emotion you want to evoke when you're writing and doing your thing. You want to make us cry. You want to make us feel joy that is unbelievable. Yeah. Because we've just read words.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Yeah, but it's an emotional peak.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Yes. Or and especially to relate to a character. Like when you find that character and you want to be that person and feel it. Or e and I'm big on the environment. Even like going to a restaurant, she knows it's certainly like I can't digest my food if it's too bright. I'm one of them. But like in Stephen King's The Shining, which you know, they say that's kind of one of his cliche. I love it. I love the book, and I like the way he describes the snow at the hotel. Stuff like that sucks me in where I just want to reread that same part because I love snow. Yeah. So stuff like that, if you can find what touches a person.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

So back to the uh what our topic was, because I love Virinoff. We did bear off.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

We were on to kill a mocking burden.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

I know we always do. We always do. But anywho, so let's go back to our list of um. Okay. All right. One of my favorites.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

I know. This one probably wouldn't affect you. It's The Exorcist. No. The book that came up in the list, which is, of course, I love the movie, but the book has more description.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

I don't know nothing about the book. Okay. Have you seen the movie? Yeah, nor the movie, to be honest. I haven't watched the movie.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Okay, that's your assignment for tonight. Well, and the it's one of those where you know there's a descriptive place in the book that never made it to the movie where she's like slithering around on the floor following a person, the the help kind of thing with her tongue coming out. But you know, you know it's famous for being a horror movie. Supposedly. Okay. The author never intended it to be a horror movie and said that he actually wrote it to see how how strong the faith of was for the priest. I know it wasn't even supposed to ha be a horror movie. It was supposed to be through the priest's eyes and testing the faith between good and evil. Which is a hard line to tow. Especially when you got some girl with her head spinning around and pea soup being spit on everybody.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Yeah, it makes you think about the writer as he was writing it.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

You know?

SPEAKER_00 11:16

You're halfway through the scene, you're like, well, is the priest gonna win right here, or am I gonna make this person go even crazier and do even crazier stuff? And if I make them do that, then how is the priest gonna react?

SPEAKER_02 11:26

As writers, the both of you, is this a struggle in your mind all the time when you're writing? Are you thinking, Jesus, how is this gonna make the writer feel? Or how am I gonna take this story and flip this to where it can be something that people are drawn into? Are you thinking that or are you just thinking, this is what's in my mind, and boom, it's out there? Are you overthinking it? Am I overthinking y'all's brains? Because I don't understand how y'all think.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

I think you're overthinking it a little bit because it's it's kind of a a pollution in the mind to wonder how the reader's gonna react. Because you can never really know how another person's gonna react. And then on top of that, that's kind of the the narcotic joy of writing. It's like, how how many different levels of craziness can I stack on top of the scene before I get exhausted of typing out words?

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Yeah, you feel that as I've gotten older, I I think I do sit back and try to think of the reader more than I used to. And I used to I've learned now not to put things regarding pop culture so much in there where I did like the music on the radio playing in the car or something like that. I try to use a genre versus the actual name of like Katy Perry or Lady Gaga or something. Yes. I think that changes a little bit. Interesting. What are your favorite books? Like if you could read one if you were stuck on an island with one book and had to read it over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

It's The Facades by Eric Lundgren. And there's two reasons. So, first off, it's about this like suburban dad whose life is falling to shit and everything's going bad for him, and he's in this semi-surreal world, but it's very based in in the real world as well. And it's just a really intriguing story about how his life's falling apart and he's aware of it, but he's also accepting of that and I guess unwilling to make it better. He's like, Well, my life's falling apart, whatever, I'm gonna live with it. I'm just gonna ride this out. But then on top of that, I tried to read it with my dad and sister, and they got to chapter three, and they were like, I can't read this book. This is too intense for me. And I was like, What? This book's not too intense. I mean, I read it in like two days and I loved it so much. It feels so uh engrossing to read it. I when I read it, I just want to keep on going. So yeah, that that's definitely one of the more contemporary ones that I like. I don't know if Greg Gatsby's an old book. I mean, it's obviously an old book, but it's still tenderly contemporary literature because it's within like the American postmodern spectrum. But Greg Gatsby is a book that's I could read Greg Gatsby in like six hours and be like, yeah. What's Tom gonna do next? What's Nick gonna do next? Wait a minute. What is Daisy doing? I'm always fascinated by the imagery. F. Scott Fistrail is a really good uh he's kind of like Ray Bradbury in the sense where he's a poet that writes prose and he creates these super elaborate, pretty images, and then he sets those images to a narrative and he does it in a bigger sense than just a prose poem. He's just writing this long narrative within snippets of beautiful poetic images, you know, the eyes looking down, the glittering drunken apartment, the glades next to the large mansion. Everything is just so grandiose within his books. So, yeah, in terms of imagery, it would be Great Gatsby, but in terms of just straight narrative, I just want to get get that story in my mind and keep reading it over and over, it'd be the facades.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

I'm like that with Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Like Song of Fire and Ice? Yeah. George Martin. I haven't read any of the books. I've watched the first season with friends, and that's it. I know very little about Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

You gotta read the books. They leave so much out in the show, it makes me mad. But that could be a whole nother show in itself when books go to series or movies. I know that can be very upsetting, but I get it. I mean, I get that there's a time period or a timeline that they have to kind of fit a story into, so then storylines or characters that I loved all of a sudden get plucked out of there.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Is there a book that you've read that just like blew your mind? And then you have watched the movie and you're like, no, you were appalled because that movie was so bad compared to the book.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

There's the opposite.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

So my favorite movie really ever is The Object of My Affection, which is this trashed out 1990s, late 1990s movie with Paul Rudd and Jennifer Aniston.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

I didn't see that one.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Do you know about it though?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Yeah. I mean it's not that it's not a good movie at all. It has like bad cinematography, bad jump cuts, everything's not good about it. But I watched it when my grandfather died just over and over and over again. So it became like a sort of like trauma-release movie. And now after that, just I really enjoy watching the movie and I know the whole plot. And then I got super lucky at a thrift store and found it for 25 cents.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

The book. And I read the book and I was like, this movie is even worse than I thought it was because of how good the book is.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

So in The Object of My Affection, Paul Rudd's character is gay, but he's he moves in with Jennifer Aniston's character, who's straight and is uh dating and has a child with another person.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

But Paul Rudd's character, the gay one, acts actually falls in love with Jennifer Aniston's character and really just a platonic, like, I'm such close friends with you that I'm in love with you sort of way. And then there's this third character named Paul, not Paul Rudd, just a Paul, who is actually gay, and Paul falls in love with Paul Rudd's character, and then it's like, well, I'm going to choose the gay person over the straight person because I'm gay and I like this relationship more than you who are having a child with this other heterosexual person. And in the movie, it it's done super sloppy and it's introduced bad, and Paul's character is number one, ugly. In the book, Paul is super handsome. Like the the description is handsome. Okay. You don't even have to like have a type to understand how handsome the description of Paul is in the book. And in the movie he's not good looking. And then on top of that, his character is so much more intricate, and there's like four separate scenes that take place within a whole vacation that is completely cut out of the movie, and it's like, yeah, you've just you've cut out 30% of the last half of the movie to speed it up. And it was it was definitely upsetting to see. But it's interesting because I wouldn't have read the book unless I watched the movie. So maybe it's it's okay that that happened because you know pop culture evolves to meet technology. So I watched the movie, I love the movie so much I read the book, and then I love the book even more than the movie. Huh. I don't think I've ever went that direction.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

It's definitely like a young person sort of mindset to have the Not that he's calling us all.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I'm just trying to think if there was anything that came out.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Yeah, you see the new and then you look at the old. It's definitely different. I w I want to read Carrie, thinking about that as well, because I watched the Sissy Spacek Carrie movie, and I was like, this movie is so good.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

It is good, and the book is it like flip-flops chapter to chapter where it's like the story that's going on and then her psychologist files.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Yeah, I looked that up on Google and it said it's epistolary, which means it's like groupings of letters and notes. It's not just a singular narrative. And I was like, I think I want to read this book now that I watched the movie.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

And that book almost didn't happen. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_00 18:59

No.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

That's a documentary I watched, yes. When Stephen King wrote it, he wrote over half of it and flung it in the trash can. And his wife Tabitha, who's also an author, saw it, took it out, read it, and said, You have to finish this. And he's like, I don't feel like I can get in the mind of a teenage girl. And then she's like, Finish it. Look what happened. I know. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

So you have to have a good woman behind you. I know. See, never throw anything in the trash till your girlfriend reads or feature wife and that was little angel hands to heaven. Anyway, I am a Stephen King fan. Or don't bring anything in the trash till you at least send it to Brenda. Because she will she will say yay or nay. She'll be honest too.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

So in terms of Stephen King, do you like him because of his horror or his writing or because it's so you know, there's like a distinction between thriller and horror. Yes. Is that a thing to you and Stephen King as well?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

I well, most of his books to me are more horror, or the my favorite ones. I think with him, what started out, my the first two I read by him were Tommy Knockers and Carrie. So then all of a sudden it's fueled. I'm I'm on it. I have to read everything I can get my hands on of his. And I know a lot of people, and I'll take heat for this one, their favorite is the Dark Tower, which is probably has more thriller parts to it, where it it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

I don't know anything about the Dark Tower. Never even heard of that.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Well, you'll be on it. You'll be Googling tonight and Amazon. Start ordering books. Yes, but I it's like I like the ones like um under the dome is one I think that's one you might actually like, where this big thing just comes and cuts this town off. And the opening scene, I get goosebumps thinking about it. It's a little squirrel, a chipmunk or something running around, and all of a sudden, bam, it gets cut in half because that dome gets dropped. And you know, if you're in its way, that's the end of it. And here these people are in there now. There's no way to get food into them. You know, they have to start rationing and they kind of start turning on each other, kind of thing. So it's one of those stories. Of course, I like The Green Mile. Did you ever see that movie?

SPEAKER_00 21:01

I didn't know that was Stevie King. That movie is Tom Hanks. That movie is ridiculous. Yeah. I I hadn't watched the I hadn't read the book and I watched the movie while drunk with one of my college roommates, and I was like, what the f what? Go back and watch it sober. You know, because like his soul came out of his body and was like, wait, this is like science fiction.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

That one made me cry.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

I was so I thought it was a very like it was supposed to be like a realistic Southern Crime drama movie, and then it went science fiction, and then I was like, wait a minute, I'm not even watching this movie correctly. It's a very multifaceted film.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

That is a lot of people's favorite movie though. The Green Mile, yeah, yeah. Shawshank Redemption novel.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Redemption's really good. It's a good one. Did you guys watch The Running Man with Schwarzenegger?

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Did you like it?

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Not my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

I mean, it's critically bad. It's super cliche and camp and gaudy, not in a good way. But I think uh the villains' costume designs are good. That's about the only good thing I could say about it. But the villain cost the villain costume design was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

But even the story itself's not really that good.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

No. What about the long walk?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah, they made that into into a movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah, it's on stars now.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

I haven't watched the movie, and when I was a kid, that was my That was really my introduction into Stephen King, actually.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

I went to Barnes and Noble and I was like, I think the book starts out with more than a hundred people, doesn't it? Or no, no, no. Okay, maybe the book is a hundred, because I think the movie it's just like one for each state. They have one person representing each state. So they're down to fifty.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Well, here's my confession. I never actually read the book. Because I was a I was a little cheapskate kid. I saw the book at Barnes and Noble, and then I looked up the Wikipedia synopsis, and then I watched like 12 hours worth of YouTube videos explaining the story and lore of the long walk.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Wasn't that in a one of the books that had like four different stories in it?

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's in one of those king anthologies where it's just like four groups together. That one was when I when I read the synopsis, I was like, I felt something just reading the synopsis of the novel. I was like, wow, how do you think of something so tragic and intense? I mean, the end of it is just like, what? He he wins and then he dies because he's so exhausted. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Don't give me the answer.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

It's spoiler alert. Yeah, if you didn't read the book that came out 60 years ago. I mean, yeah, it and then I remember. I don't think you're allowed to spoil that. I remember specifically reading about the mayor and how apathetic the character of the mayor is. And I'm like, wow. So Stephen King specifically chose to create this person in power who is purposefully apathetic and is perpetuating a game of entertainment that is also detrimental to the society that he has to run. I thought it was very uh just deep when I first read it. And I didn't even read the whole book, I only read the synopsis. But I f yeah, I felt something just from reading the Wikipedia synopsis of that book.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

I don't want this to turn into a tire Stephen King episode, but it could. It could, it could. But talking about the book to movie thing, misery. Did you see Misery? The book is better. That's another one that's better. I love Kathy Bates, don't get me wrong. I'll watch Misery over and over again. Everyone loves Kathy Bates. But the um in the book. That's your other homework assignment. You gotta watch Misery. Then feet aren't just getting hobbled in the book. That's about something freaky. Read the book. It's a lot, but damn, it's good. It is good. Love her. Dolores Claiborne's another one. And I'll tell you right now, nothing wrong with killing a man. He deserved it. Earmuffs, please. In case you ever might turn out missing. I'm gonna tell you right now. Under those circumstances, I would do the exact same thing. I won't do the spoiler alert, but that's something that would put me away.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

What? What mo what book are you talking about? Dolores Claiborne. Okay. Read. I probably won't. You'll have to watch the movie. Okay, movies.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

I need to read more Stephen King. It's more Kathy Bates. I've read what? Joyland.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Good one.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

That one That's a quick read. Yeah, the ending of it, I was like, you could have done I actually liked who the killer was in Joyland. I was like, I was excited that that was the killer, but I was like, you could have done a little more, I don't know, pizzazz in revealing it.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

I think he's good at like really building up characters.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

And also building up unimportant characters to make them seem important. And because he does that, you as the reader, you just choose, yeah, that's an important character, and I'm gonna think a lot about them.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

There's times they're like unimportant and they'll pop up again later. It's like, oh, I forgot about him.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Yeah. That's what's really awesome. It's not just creating this terror, horror, thriller ideal. It's like I'm building an entire world of limited characters.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

And when we think about how often do we see people, it's kind of the same thing. Like how often do we see the neighbors? Not very often. So they just pop up every now and then. But they're there, they live there. They live in that world.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

They live in this world and amongst us, but it's not like we're out Yeah. They're not a main character in our I'm not knocking on the door every day going, Hey, we doing I mean I do that to your door. You're my neighbor. I know, technically. But I go weeks without seeing you. I don't know what the fuck's going on. You know what I'm doing. I know what you're doing, but I ain't seeing you.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

You're just a character that pops up once in a while. And I work the same days every week. Every week. Mine don't change. That's you.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Anyways, I said my favorite movie, it's object of my affection. Or yeah, it's object of my affection.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

What are you guys' favorite movies?

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Bring the go. Rocky Horror Picture Show. Um Yeah. I'm more shallow. I love the hangover. What?

SPEAKER_00 26:53

That there's no way that's like a favorite.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

It is her favorite. How many times have you seen it? I love I know. I start laughing before things happen because I know it's called. I want all of them.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Even Ed Helms?

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

What duh.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Yeah. Even him. And of course. I mean, Zach Anapolis is my guy. He loves it. But when I was younger, it was as good as it gets because I love Jack Nicholson.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

I wouldn't see that.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Anything he can ever do. It's Helen Hunt, Jack Nicholson, anything Jack Nicholson does. I love You think he's a good looking guy?

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Jack Nicholson. Now.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Now, no. I mean, I never thought he was my man crush grizzled, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

He's my man crush.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

I look at Nicholson and I'm like, back in the day, look at him when he was 40. He's back in the day, he's my man crush. And even now, if he came in, we'd talk. But um We'd talk.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

If Jack Nicholson showed up here.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

We're gonna talk. I hear he's an ass. But um but I don't want to be his friend. I just want to he entertains me. That's what, like uh back way, way back in my much, much younger days, I was a uh NASCAR fan, and Del Arnhart was my one of his hat. One of his hats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have memorable. I wouldn't know any of his people. Anyway, he was one of my people uh who I was a fan. And everybody's like, oh, he's such an asshole. Oh, he's such an asshole. I don't want to be his friend. He entertains me. That's what I want to he raced hard and he put his heart was in it. And I felt his heart. So he was doing something he loved. But you felt his heart. That's when I felt his earn hard. I know I love that. Anyway, I felt it. And so I loved him. I was a fan of his. I didn't want to be his friend, I'm a fan. So that's all I'm saying. Before that, you're gonna even think I'm more shallow. You'll never guess. Wayne's world. What?

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Mike Myers? Yeah, really?

SPEAKER_02 29:06

I can see that.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Wayne Twirl.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Did you like the second one? I think the second one's better than the first.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

I well, I well, I was just hooked on the first. And the girl in it, I mean, she's funny you say that.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

And then in the end of the second one, they go hooked in right at the end, you know? Yeah. And it's like it's like funny because all the characters are looking you in the face in the camera, they're like, you just watch this shitty movie for two hours. Yeah. That's what they're saying. Hooked in. They're just in it. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

It's a and I wasn't stoned. I was I I don't what uh no. I was sober.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Watching Wayne's World sober.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Yeah, not stoned. What's his name?

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Dada Carvey? That's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I know. So I'm I didn't know that about it. Very shallow. But as good as it gets, it's good. As far as movies go. Okay. Yeah, I like to laugh. I like mindless, obviously. I like mindless TV. I like things you don't have to think about. Because I feel like the whole world, we're thinking too much. Maybe that's why I don't like to read. Big fans of y'all's. But I don't like to read, to be honest with y'all, because it's it's thinking.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

You know, the one thing I hate about reading is how long it takes to get into it. Like you'll sit down and read a book, and then you get 12 notifications on your phone, and then somebody downstairs is talking to you, and then you think about the thing you were supposed to do 30 minutes ago that you didn't do, and then you think about your schedule for the next week, and it's like, okay, 45 minutes have passed, and I'm still on page three. You have to read for a long time before you can like get into zone.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Or the worst is Scotty is stuck on the show. He's keeps recommending he wants me to watch, he wants me to watch, he wants me to watch. And I've watched the first episode. One's Peaky Blinders, and the other one is the worst thing that ever happened or something.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

No, that's not it.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

And both of them something very bad is gonna happen. That both of them, the first episodes are horrible. It gets good though. So it's like when the first episode to meet is not good.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

That's where they put all the money.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

I don't want to watch it again. I know. Like, why would I keep going? If you believe in soulmates, you will watch it. People didn't tell me you gotta keep going, you gotta keep going, then I wouldn't want to keep it. Because if I'm just watching it all by myself as I usually am, I don't want to keep going because the first episode sucked. Keep going. I was like, that way why do I want to keep watching that?

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Because the payoff at the end.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

But what if what if you weren't here to tell me that? Well, we are me and Scotty both.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

I I agree with you. There's a lot of stuff like Snowfall and Breaking Bad and even Game of Thrones. People are like, it's so good. I'm like, man, I'm on episode six, and I'm bored.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

See, I watched the first season of Breaking Bad with my daughter, and I got out of it. There was something else on at the same time. And back then we didn't have all the streaming stations when that first came on. We were living in Lake Wales. And I don't know, I just didn't bond with any of the characters, and I just gave up on it. That was bad.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

That was one thing like Skylar, people were like, You if you don't like it, just look at Skylar's character and you'll think a lot about it. It's like, I don't give a shit about Skylar White, and I don't give a shit about Walter White, and I don't give a shit about Jesse Pinkman. Like these three characters are all unlikable people that are making bad decisions over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

That's how I felt about breaking bad. But then everybody says, No, it gets good, it gets good, it gets good.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

I liked it. When she talks about like some mindless stuff, though, do you feel that certain movies will draw you to a time in your life? Of course, your life is still shorter than ours. But uh, that brings me down to the like the 80s movies and just hearing the opening credits and the music like Pretty in Pink and Breakfast Club and Ghostbusters and all the goofy movies that came out then, Back to the Future. Yes, it makes me think of high school. And that was a good time for me. So I feel like certain movies will bring me back to a certain time.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

My favorite actor though is Jason Sidakis.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Really?

SPEAKER_00 33:01

And he all his movies are pretty bad, which is sad. But he is a looker. Okay, I like to look at him.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

And show me a picture. Hall Pass is a really funny movie to me. Even though it's super like mindless. Mindless and low it's a low budget film too. It's not a good film of the plots.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Would you give your girlfriend a hall pass? No.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

No. No, I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Would you?

SPEAKER_00 33:25

We've already talked about it. No, I wouldn't. And the reason why is because she doesn't have a uh she doesn't have one. She's not like, oh.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Do you have one?

SPEAKER_00 33:32

It's Jason today. Okay, so I mean, every single day it slowly seeps away from him because Ted Lasso's season three and four are not good. And his relationship with Olivia Wilde has just turned to complete shit. And the more and more news I read about it, it's his fault. Because he's like this, he's like, he's like turning to like a drunk who like doesn't care about the relationship with his ex-wife, and it's causing him to have problems with his children. And he's like living a secluded life in New York while his wife and two children are living in LA, and he like flies back and forth between them. Something messed up with that guy. But I thought he looked good when he was on SNL. Let me see.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

You're gonna be so like really well her girl crushes um Jamie Lee Curtis. Jamie Lee Curtis. That's disappointing. Is it? You see that? Yeah, he's cute. You see the girl crush and Jamie Lee Curtis?

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

She's like Ellen, but cool. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

I'm outnumbered. Let me see. Show me a picture.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

I love her in Scream Queens. That's the one here.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Screen Queens is good. That is good. Screen Queens is is hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

She is a grandma. Great grandma. She's gonna be this grandma.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

I love Scream Queens. Who is in that? It's like Glenn Powell before he got famous. It's got uh Man, that's a bunny flip. One modern actor that I have a semi-fascination with is Ryan Gosling because I feel like he is the next step of pretty face with no background talent. But in the same conversation, a lot of the characters he plays are purposefully like null or non-emotional, I guess. Like like his character Candon Barbie and his character in Drive, and in some ways his character in La La Land, they're these emotionally unavailable characters who are purposefully unaware of the understanding of their love interest or the understanding of their work. So I'm wondering what you guys think about Ryan Gosling because he's a very conventionally attractive man, but is is he really a good actor or is he getting these roles because they're roles that any conventionally handsome actor could get?

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Well, I have an answer. Okay. I feel that way, like back in our day, Friends was a big hit. Jennifer Anderson is one of the people who everything she plays, she's the same character. She's not interesting to me. I don't see anything interesting about her.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

She has a face that she makes. She makes it in every movie and every role she plays. And that face, it's a really good face.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

But it's but it's it's not giving me new character face. So maybe that's what he's doing. He's the same, and maybe it's because there's no different face to make. I mean, you know what I mean? She just has that one face, and that's all she's like one uh character of a person. I did love her dad in Days of Our Lives, and that's all I gotta say about her. I mean, that's how I feel about one-dimensional people. I think that's what attracts me to uh Angelina Jolish. I mean, she's beautiful in everything she does, but she can beat ass. She can play domestic, she can play every spectrum of uh life.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

And that's Tomb Raider. She's Tomb Raider, isn't she? I don't watch Tomb Raider. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

She's not Tomb Raider. Who plays Tomb Raider? She's badass. I like the and she's those lips. Oh my god. Girl Crush, that's John Voigt's daughter, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:15

It's Alicia V. Cander who plays Tomb Raider. But Walter Goggins is in there. Yeah, Julie's good. She has the sort of face you'd like make in The Sims, you know? Yeah. It doesn't look like a real face. It doesn't not real, you know, but oh, that's a different Tomb Raider than.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

That's the first movie that came out that Curry and I went to see.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Angela?

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Your Google's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

I look up Tomb Raider movie. It's a different one.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

His Google's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Oh yeah. That's my girl.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Oh, 2001 versus 2018. Oh, yeah. You're like on old old Google.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

We're old Google. We're old. That's an old phone. Yep, new Google. I knew John Voigt was related to her.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Daniel Craig's in there. I love Daniel Craig.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

So the question was, your person there, what do you think? Of Ryan Gosling?

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

See, he d he doesn't impress me. I mean, as far as I could take him or leave him, so I guess he doesn't have that standout reality.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

You know what I take over him? Brad Pitt every day. Leonardo DiCaprio every day. Well.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

I don't care about Brad Pitt. Leonardo.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

What?

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Leonardo DiCaprio?

SPEAKER_02 38:21

I like him, I guess, but he's still not. And he's one who is you get lost in his character because he changes his persona and his acting abilities. That's what I feel like. Jennifer Aniston doesn't have the acting abilities. She couldn't be in a same scene with Leonardo DiCaprio.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Jennifer Aniston couldn't do The Revenant and What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

No. I was just gonna ask about what's eating Gilbert Grape. That's a good one. Titanic, even. I think that's where I fell in love with him. Fell in love with him? Well, not really fall in love with him. Growing pains. He's looking now. He's looking for it.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

I know he's pained. Titanic? Is that the first time you ever saw Leonardo DiCaprio? Is in uh of course.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

He was younger than What's Eating Gilbert Grape. I think that came before Titanic, didn't it?

SPEAKER_00 39:05

What about Johnny Depp?

SPEAKER_02 39:07

How do you feel about Johnny Depp?

SPEAKER_00 39:09

I've only really seen him in Pirates of the Caribbean. And I love him in that because I love Pirates of the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

21 Jump Street. Edward Scissor Hands.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Oh, he's good in that action.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Oh, you saw that?

SPEAKER_00 39:19

Edward Scissor Hands is funny and super well shot, and I love the aesthetic of it. The timber aesthetic in live action.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

I was surprised how good it crossed over. Because you know, like what is it? Nightmare Before Christmas, Paranorman. What's another one? Whatever. You know, that cartoon gothic dog aesthetic. How do you turn that into live action?

SPEAKER_02 39:43

And he did it.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

He did it really, really, really well.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Johnny Depp is definitely one of those people you can't take your eyes off when he's in a scene, he steals it.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

And it's not because he's sexy, handsome, jaw-dropping. It's because he's a really good actor. Yeah. And he's like alluring with how well he delivers lines.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Mm-hmm. I didn't even like him in a secret window.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Girl, I watched his court case and I was like, I can take my eyes off of him. I don't condone anything that she accused him of or whatever, but anyway, because I'm innocent.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

You know what they were saying? Amber Heard was like lying about a lot of stuff. And when they released more information, she was actually in the wrong.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Try me. I know. All right. Well, we've had some talks about books and things and went off the rails to movies, and I think we've had a pretty good time. Absolutely. I mean, we could go on and on about Stephen King. That could be a whole nother show.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

We can go on and on with Stephen King. We could go on and on with Scout. This is I mean, one of those kids who you have it, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

I know. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

I'm excited about the feedback that you heard from your first episode that you did with us. It confirms that Brendan and I are exactly right. You got a lot of hits. And people just personally coming up to you who are just fans of the show and saying, hey, how's your episode? And it was amazing. And encourage you to get your own podcast. Look, it's a computer and a microphone.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

That's it. I'd listen. I would too. We'll name it. Do your photo shoot.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

We're here for the Tiger Monkey Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Tiger Monkey. We're Tiger Monkey. That's right. Tiger Monkey. But until he gets his own podcast, we're gonna wrap it up on Let's Wine. We're Brendan Stacy.